Saturday, December 25, 2010
What I find interesting is the comments section of the ESPN page. Despite the evidence that Haberstoh presents, the public doesn't buy it. Here are some of the comments:
"Anyone who claims Lebron is better clearly has not watched these two players play in a meaningful game in the last 5 minuets with the game on the line. There's a reason almost everyone in the NBA will claim Kobe as the best closer of all time."
"statistics for people who don't know what they talking about. Any idiot who use stats as the cruch of his argument is a fool in any walk of life"
"Why do they even do these Kobe/LeBron comparisons. LeBron isn't on Kobe's level. Kobe's always been clutch and has been the ultimate closer. He's still the best"
"Kobe brings to the table much more than numbers. the intangibles and his refuse to lose that makes Kobe the best player in the NBA for the past 6 years."
"The article glaringly forgets to mention that Kobe has been Mr. Clutch in games that actually MEAN something...like the NBA finals. How many clutch shots does Lebron have in the Finals? ZERO because he's never been there."
So I ask the question, what does it say about the American people that despite looking in black and white at who has performed better - they just dismiss it? I don't particularly understand why supporters of Kobe are so obsessed with claiming him as better than LeBron. You never hear LeBron fans casually throw Kobe into the discussion as not being as good as LeBron, but the oppostie side does. Reading the comments on ESPN just serves as a reminder as why people like Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, and Rand Paul can be forces in American politics, because of the inability of people to look at facts and analyze and synthesize information.
Wednesday, December 1, 2010
How many times does he get a pass thrown to him in a position to score and he just bumbles it out of bounds? Literally incredible how many. Throughout training camp and the prelude to the season, all I heard was how great the Russian was going to be. So far in 223 minutes he has produced -.9 wins for the Knicks. The reason for this terrible number is just simply - Mozgov does nothing well on the basketball court...nothing.
Amar'e Stoudemire remembered he was Amar'e Stoudemire and is now an above average player! WP48 of .106 (average of .100) Yay Amar'e! He is bringing the pow as of late.
The Knicks currently sit at 10-9, and the summation of wins produced puts them at 9.7, right in line with the 10 wins. That number should go up if D'Antoni would play Landry Fields more often and send Mozgov to Siberia.
Saturday, November 27, 2010
I thought a better question would be since 2001, the first year that the Wins Produced metric has been out, has Kobe been a top 10 player in any given year since 2001?
2001- 9.8 Wins Produced (#34)
2002- 12.6 Wins Produced (#18)
2003- 18.4 Wins Produced (#7)
2004- 11.8 Wins Produced (#19)
2005- 10.0 Wins Produced (#33)
2006- 13.5 Wins Produced (#20)
2007- 15.3 Wins Produced (#13)
2008- 17.2 Wins Produced (#7)
2009- 14.5 Wins Produced (#12)
2010- 10.3 Wins Produced (#29)
Since 2001, Kobe has never finished higher than the 7th most valuable player in the league. His average placement in terms of value has been the 19th most valuable in the league. So what we have here is a player that has been one of the better players over the past 10 seasons but has not been an elite player in the NBA. Yet, despite this information people still assume that Kobe has been a top 10 player of all time.
The reasons for this probably have to do with the popularity of his team. The media market in Los Angeles. And that he has been fortunate enough to play with great teams his entire career, except for a 3 year period when Shaq was gone and before the great Kwame Brown was traded for Pau Gasol.
Thursday, November 18, 2010
Landry Fields continues to be a force, in fact he has been by far the best rookie. Not bad for someone who didn't make Chad Ford's top 100 prospects. So far he has produced 2.3 Wins, the next closest rookie is Blake Griffin with 1.0 wins. It looks like Landry Fields could be a keeper for years to come...or until he gets traded for Carmelo Anthony.
The Knicks desperately need to move Wilson Chandler out of the '4' spot. Currently he is playing 74% of his minutes there, accorind the automated wins produced via Andres Alvarez. Either the Knicks need to acquire a power forward, or play him minutes when Amar'e and Ronny Turiaf are on the floor. The reason for this needed change is that Wilson is not particularly efficent with his shooting and he is not a good enough rebounder to sustain much value playing at the power forward spot.
Wednesday, November 17, 2010
4.5 Wins Produced
4.0 Wins Produced
Houston and Sprewell (8.5 Wins) Rest of Team (39 Wins)
In 2001 Sprewell and Houston were both below avergae performers but were able to contribute 8.5 wins because of the large number of minutes that they played. This story follows a similar pattern.
.7 Wins Produced
-.8 Wins Produced
Houston and Sprewell (-.1 Wins) Rest of Team (30.4 Wins)
In 2002 the all-star combo produced -.1 Wins. Yes, they actually were a negative on the Knicks season. It should be noted that the rest of the team performed remarkably similar to the previous year. The only difference being Marcus Camby only produced 4.4 Wins as opposed to the 16.9 that he did in 2001, he only played in 29 games in 2002.
2.7 Wins Produced
3.1 Wins Produced
Houston and Sprewell (4.8 Wins Produced) Rest of Team (31.3 Wins Produced)
Again the team performed fairly similar to the way they had performed in the past, except this year Marcus Camby was no longer with the team and the subsequent performace dropped. This is a continual pattern of the Knicks having a fairly decent team around the alleged two superstarts, if these two were actual superstars, then the Knicks would have been a juggernaut. Unfortunately, these two were not very good players.
The reason that the there is a difference in perception and reality regarding these two is that both of them could score the ball. Unfortunately, that is all they could do as neither of them were very good rebounders, they both turned the ball over and neither created a lot of turnover via steals. However, since player performace is driven by points per game and nothing else, these two were thought of as great players. The numbers tell a different story and offer an explanation as to why the Knicks could never get over the hump, the team around Sprewell and Houston was a pretty decent one. Unfortunately the big two were not very big at all.
Monday, November 15, 2010
After 10 games this season, it is not surprising that all the of the players that the Knicks received back have been injured at some point this season. Not surprising since all the players the Knicks acquired have had injury problems in the past.
Ronny Turiaf in 2011 has posted a solid .145 WP48 and produced .5 wins. That is probably higher than what to expect considering he has never posted a WP48 over .073 in his career.
Azubuike hasn't played yet and this comes after only playing in 9 games last season.
Anthony Randolph has been particularly horrible this year and D'Antoni seems reluctant to let him play so far, playing only 12 minutes per game. For the supposed centerpiece of this deal, he has played to the tune of -.025 WP48. He is only 22, so there is hope for a turnaround, but a player that is 22 and producing in the negative range after missing 50 games last season is not something to look favorably on.
In a separate note, the Knicks rid themselves of David Lee to acquire Amar'e Stoudemire. While I don't fault them for doing this, they needed to have the perception of upgrade. Even though WoW readers know that David Lee is the better player, the popular opinion is that Amar'e is superior.
Well so far Amar'e has produced -.1 wins on the year.
Summary: Knicks acquire Amar'e Stoudemire, Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, Anthony Randolph ( Total Wins Produced .4)
For David Lee (Total Wins Produced 1.1)
Looks like another NYK Mistake!
Thursday, November 11, 2010
The WoW wins produced statistic has the Knicks producing 3.5 wins, so the team is roughly in line with where the should be at this point. The Knicks right now are at a crossroads with where the are going. You have players like Amare Stoudemire producing -.1 wins for the season, that surely won't continue as he definitely will be a productful player. On the other end of the spectrum, Wilson Chandler and Toney Douglas had torrid starts that have come back down and Ronny Turiaf will surely see his production decline.
A good coaching decision was made in putting Mozgov on the bench, you CANNOT be a center in this league and not get any rebounds. So here the Knicks sit at 3-5, and I don't know whether or not to be encouraged or discouraged.
2010 Knicks leaders in wins produced:
Landry Fields: 1.2 Wins
Raymond Felton: 1.1 Wins
Danilo Gallinari: .5 Wins
Ronny Turiaf: .5 Wins
Toney Douglas: .5 Wins
Wilson Chandler: .4 Wins
Anthony Randolph: .1 Wins
Roger Mason: 0 wins
Cliff Robinson in an Amare Stoudemire mask: -.1 Wins
Andy Rautins: -.1 Wins
Bill Walker: -.1 Wins
Timofey Mozgov: -.5 Wins
Thursday, November 4, 2010
With that said...
14 pts. + 8 rebs. + 1 stl. + (1/2)*3 ast. + (1/2)*2 blk. - 21 fga. - 8 to. - (1/2)*5 fta - (1/2)*6 fouls. (37 minutes) = multiplying factor of 1.3 to calculate on a per 48 minute basis
Win score = -9
Win score 48 = -11.7
Average Power Forward WS48= +10.3
....at least he is an electrifying talent though!
Tuesday, November 2, 2010
After 3 games, Amare Stoudemire has been the worst Knick. The 100 million dollar man has produced -.3 wins and has a WP48 of -.118. Will that continue? No. Does it bother me? Yes. At this pace Amare will produce -8.4 wins while getting paid 20 million a year for it.
Landry Fields has done a wonderful job as a rookie posting a WP48 of .419 in his first 3 career games. The Wages of Wins network has projected Fields to produce at a .212 WP48 (average of .100) in his rookie year. Not too bad for a guy who all the scouts had as a decent player in the for the Greek Olympicos squad.
Top 10 worst seasons ever since 2001:
#1 2011 Amare Stoudemire -8.4 wins
#2 Cliff Robinson -8.1 Wins
#3 John Amechi -6.9 Wins
#4 Adam Morrison -6.6 Wins
#5 Jason Collins -6.0 Wins
#6 Andrea Bargnani -6.0 Wins
#7 Cliff Robinson (2) -4.9 Wins
#8 Malik Allen -4.6 Wins
#9 Willie Gren -4.6 Wins
#10 Vin Baker -4.5 Wins
The most amazing thing is that Clifford Robinson appears on this list twice. Here is the seasons that Cliff had...
2001 Phoenix WoW wins (46.5) Cliff Robinson Wins (-4.9)
2002 Detroit WoW wins (46.3) Cliff Robinson Wins (-3.3)
2003 Detroit WoW wins (51.0) Cliff Robinson Wins (-4.2)
2004 Golden State WoW wins (38.8) Cliff Robinson Wins (-8.1)
2005 Golden State WoW wins (35.2) Cliff Robinson Wins (-2.6)
2006 New Jersey WoW wins (44.4) Cliff Robinson Wins (-2.5)
2007 New Jersey WoW wins (39.1) Cliff Robinson Wins (-3.4)
Over the course of 7 seasons the teams that he was on accumulated 301.3 Wins Produced using the formula used in the Wages of Wins. Cliff Robinson during those 301.3 cost his team 26.4 wins. How does a player stay in the league for those 7 seasons being that bad. The better question is how does a player that awful get enough minutes to play to accumulate those hideous numbers. This wasn't a coach having a love affair with a player situation...he played with 4 teams over that stretch and got big minutes from every coach. Sometimes you just need to shake your head.
Friday, October 29, 2010
Boston Celtics (1-1)
The Celtics beat the Miami Heat in the opener and since the Heat are obviously a better team than the Knicks, New York has no chance at winning this game. Actually it might be a good idea to get halloween started early.
Amare was less than stellar in his Knick debut commiting 9 turnovers. That guy out in the Bay Area now who really just put up his numbers in garbage time had a max turnover game of 5.
Wilson Chandler paying the power forward position for long stretches in the opener is eventually going to hurt the Knicks. He doesn't possess enough rebounding ability to get boards over taller players and despite what the announcers say, Wislon Chandler cannot stretch the floor. He simply isn't a good outside shooter.
Knicks win probability -100%
Thursday, October 28, 2010
Anyway, what irks me about this article is this phrase
MVP: "Even the writers and broadcasters who vote for this award have come to realize that Kobe does what LeBron wants to do. In any event, votes will be split between LBJ and D-Wade."
If you actually think Kobe is going to be the MVP of league...fine. I disagree with you, but that is your own opinion. Why is it that whenever LeBron is involved people always want to talk Kobe? In the season opener LeBron made a brilliant move to the basket and put the ball in and Steve Kerr chimed in with something like, "A great move by LeBron...I think probably only Kobe Bryant is the other player in the league that could do that." Kobe has absolutely nothing to do with LeBron James at all.
Furthermore, whenever Kobe Bryant does something nobody ever mentions LeBron. Why is that? If Kobe had done the exact same move do you think Kerr would have said, "Wow, a great play by Kobe. I think LeBron could do that too, though."
Back to Charley Rosen, I would really like to ask him what he means by "Kobe does what LeBron wants to do." As I talked about earlier in one of my posts, Kobe does nothing, NOTHING better than LeBron...except have better teammates. That is why last year Kobe had a WP48 of .179 and LeBron's was .429 (average of .100).
Wednesday, October 27, 2010
Getting off to a good start in the NBA is crucial. If the Knicks win this game they will be on pace to set the best record of all time. If the lose, then it will be a long season. Therefore, this is the most important game of all time.
I'm interested to see who rebounds the ball for the Knicks because Amare isn't that great of a rebounder and in the pre-season Anthony Randolph and Ronny Turiaf didn't rebound particularly well either. I'm starting to miss David Lee already...
Monday, October 18, 2010
2011 Knicks Forecast
Using the weighted averages the Knicks look to win 27 games. Using last years performances the Knicks figure to win 30 games. Although as a caveat to those numbers, I thank Arturo greatly for his Wins Produced numbers, but I do not think Wilson Chandler is primarily a power forward but rather he is more often a shooting guard. The Knicks acquired players in the David Lee deal who were all injured last year and none of them played more than 1000 minutes.
Getting those guys healthy is of major importance to this team because I do not want to see Eddy Curry on the floor at all.
With all that, for 2011 I expect to see more minutes than forecasted from Gallo, Azuibuike, and Anthony Randoplh. Due to the positional difference with Wilson Chandler, I would say that the forecasted numbers are a bit low.
Wednesday, October 13, 2010
The consensus among the "experts" is that in a game with a referee calling fouls Kobe would win. In a game with no fouls, LeBron would take it down. I'm not exactly sure why having a ref would matter, for the most part every pick-up game I have ever played - not having a referee has no bearing on the game at all. Furthermore, Kobe has averaged my personal fouls per game than LeBron has (2.66 vs. 1.95) I do not understand why anyone would want Kobe Bryant instead of LeBron James in anything whether it be 1 on 1, a team game, the bottom line is LeBron is just a better player than Kobe.
Without getting into Win Score, WP48, or Wins Produced (which all favor LeBron)
Since the question is asked right now who would you take, here are the 2010 stats for the contestants:
Assists: 8.6- although this would not matter in 1 on 1
Fouls (if there was a ref): 1.53
FG %: .503
Essentially what we are seeing is that LeBron does everything better except he does turn the ball over slightly more. This difference would largely be overcome by the fact that LeBron would make more shots, score more points, steal the ball more, block more shots, and get more rebounds.
On the other hand, I'm sure someone like Mark Jackson or Skip Bayless would argue that Kobe has more heart than LeBron, or he is a closer, or that he has the killer instinct that LeBron doesn't possess.
Seriously, in a one on one game this would not even be close. ESPN did this awhile ago when comparing Jeter to A-Rod. I forget the exact quote but Buster Olney said, "A-Rod would have the better jump-shot, better dribble, better defense, and have better overall skills, but Jeter would win 75% of the time." What is it with sportspeople and wanting to tear down the number 1 guys in the sport (Peyton Manning, LeBron James, A-Rod) and then prop up some other really good guy who isn't as good as the other guy on the basis of them being clutch, or just being a winner? (Tom Brady, Kobe Bryant, Derek Jeter)
Friday, October 8, 2010
....Hey Dave, this is the Knicks....what did you expect? A good move?
Monday, September 27, 2010
Kelenna Azubuike (2009 numbers due to injury) WP48: .104 Wins 5.15
Wilson Chandler- WP48: -.032 Wins -1.55
Eddy Curry- WP48: -.249 Wins -.75
Toney Douglas- WP48: .076 Wins 1.72
Patrick Ewing Jr. (did not play)
Raymond Felton- WP48: .163 Wins 8.97
Landry Fields (Rookie)
Danilo Galinari- WP48: .101 Wins 5.78
Roger Mason- WP48: .051 Wins 1.61
Timofey Mozgov (Rookie)
Anthony Randolph- WP48: .095 Wins 1.48
Andy Rautins (Rookie)
Amare Stoudemire- WP48: .154 Wins 9.11
Ronny Turiaf- WP48: .067 Wins 1.22
Bill Walker- WP48: .135 Wins 2.08
Without projecting the rookies at this time, the biggest strength that the Knicks have with this team is that they are a young team. Knowing that players generally get better until the age of 25 in which the peak, the Knicks have a slew of players under 25 who have been around average players and could out-perform last year's numbers.
So the way to early look at the Knicks sees them winning 34 games. I think that this number has an excellent chance of being far below what will actually happen seeing as rookies have not been factored in. Also, Gallo, Toney Douglas, Bill Walker, Anthony Randolph, among others should improve on the performance they put together last year. Hopefully the Knicks can make a charge for a winning record for the first time since I think Nixon went on trial for Watergate.
Monday, September 20, 2010
"If the New Jersey Nets can snag Carmelo Anthony from Denver for No. 3 overall pick Derrick Favors, the expiring deals of Troy Murphy and Kris Humphries plus at least one future first-round pick, they’re money. Real money. Carmelo is a Top-five talent; a guy I’d want on my roster were I moving to a new location in the coming years. He’d be an ideal face of the Brooklyn [FILL IN THE BLANK WITH THEIR NEW NAME], and the thought of teaming Anthony with Brook Lopez and Devin Harris is pretty damn appealing."
While true he may be an appealing face of the franchise when the team moves to Brooklyn, the bottom line is this trade is disastrous for the Nets. Troy Murphy has posted the following WP48s in the last three years: .281, .331, .149. and produced this amount of wins: 13.7, 17.1, 6.5.
Carmelo on the other hand has done the following: .109, .100, .131. wins of 6.0, 4.7, 7.6.
The other thing I don't understand is how are Brook Lopez and Devin Harris considered a good core group of players? The Nets won 12 games last year. Troy Murphy himself produced more wins than the Nets actually won. If those two were true "cornerstones", than the Nets would not have won 12 games last year. Earlier on the Wages of Wins site a post was offered how this years Wizards might be the worst team ever. A trade of Carmelo for Troy Murphy and the no.3 pick Derrick Favors may push the Nets over the top for worst team ever.
In other news: A-Rod hit one of his patented meaningless homeruns the other night to beat Baltimore.
Sunday, August 29, 2010
Point guard: Chris Paul, Jason Kidd
Jason Kidd was the 3rd most valuable player in the league last season when it comes to producing wins for his team. Which is also no fluke considering he has been in the top 6 most valuable 4 of the last 5 years. Chris Paul was the most valuable player in 2008 and 2009 and if it were not for an injury this year was a good bet to be right at the top of the list again in 2010. I really have nothing to say here for Charley, his selections of point guards on his overrated list is dreadful.
Shooting Guard: Joe Johnson, Vince Carter
Yes, The Wages of Wins has detailed how Joe Johnson got vastly overpaid and he is "overrated", he is not a bad player, but was completely undeserving of max-contract status.
I like what Charley says about Vince Carter,
"Vince Carter (Magic) is one of the most highly skilled players extant. But he can be rendered relatively impotent when forced left, and his own lack of heart routinely makes him prone to all kinds of miscues in the clutch."
That analysis just speaks for itself, imagine if Rosen would ever look at Carter per minute performance in "clutch situations" and see that Carter performs equal in those minutes as he does in garbage time.
Small Forward: Lebron James
Where does one even come up with the stance? Skip Bayless school of analysis? LeBron was the most valuable player in the league in 2010 and number 2 in 2009, while posting WP48s of .400+ in 2 consecutive years...very rarified air. But hey, I hear LeBron isn't a closer, so maybe Rosen is right.
Power Forward: Chris Boozer
Analysis from Rosen, "Fills the stat column with late-game jumpers, but good teams neutralize him when the game is on the line." Apparently Boozer is the Alex Rodriguez of the NBA in that he scores all his points when the game is over. Boozer posted a .290 WP48 last year, good for 1st amongst power forwards.
Center: Dwight Howard
Again, another assinine pick to the overrated team by Charley. Dwight was the 2nd most valuable player in the league in 2010, #3 in 2009, #2 in 2008, #5 in 2007. Yes, that certainly is the mark of an overrated player right there. Maybe if Dwight Howard would develop an outside shot he would enhance his game and then really become an elite player! Oh wait....
It is obvious that Charley Rosen does not evaluate players correctly, it is quite possible that the players on his overrated list, will in fact make up the top 5 of MOST VALUABLE players in 2011. Charley is so pre-occupied on clutch performance that it clouds his vision of evaluation. Really, any person who ever mentions clutch situations in an evaluation of a player is just plain wrong. It is fairly common knowledge that a player will not perform differently in a clutch situation than any other ones.
Tuesday, August 17, 2010
The premise of his article is correct that Anthony is not the player he is touted to be. The value added by his 28.3 ppg average is more than given back by the inefficency in the way Anthony scores. Points aren't all that contributes to a player's value, all components including rebounds, steals, assists, and others are needed to calculate the amount of wins a player contributes to the team.
My dad says you need to factor in that Carmelo Anthony can "get his shot off"
Interesting is that in games where Carmelo doesn't play, his teammates take more shots than normal. There is no evidence that a player can "get his shot".
What do we expect from Carmelo in 2011? To calculate lets look at WP48 for the last 3 seasons along with the minutes he has played. The following weights are applied (2008*3+2009*4+2010*5)
2008: WP48- .131 Minutes- 2806
2009: WP48- .100 Mniutes- 2277
2010: WP48- .108 Minutes- 2634
2011: WP48- .111 Minutes- 2558 Wins: 5.9
Much is being made about how well the Amar'e-Melo tandem would do. The indication is that the duo would STILL not be enough to lift the Knicks into contention (for a playoff series win).
Any trade the Knicks make, a combo of Gallo, Chandler, or Anthony Randolph would make the Knicks a lesser team. If he goes to the Knicks on a max contract, there is no chance his win production per million will be a benefit to the Knicks. Again, it appears as though the Knicks are on the wrong side of a rumor.
Thursday, July 29, 2010
The Knicks cannot offer a first round pick because the NBA does not allow trading first round picks in consecutive years. The Knicks traded 2011 to the Jazz and 2012 to the Rockets, which makes trading a 2013 first round pick disallowed.
More importantly, how does Rudy project as a Knick?
He has not played more than 2000 minutes in his years with Portland but has produced an above average WP48 of .157 in 2009 and .131 in 2010.
With that we can expect another above performer with the Knicks, which is a shock to think the Knicks can actually have multiple above average performers on the team....at one time!
Monday, July 19, 2010
Friday, July 16, 2010
1) Trade David Lee for Kelena Azubuike, Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf
2) Sign Raymond Felton
3) Sign Timofey Mozgov from Russia
I was ready to jump ship on the Knicks, like the guy down the hall from me here at Qualcomm has done, if the Knicks traded Lee for Monta Ellis. So what does the haul for D-Lee bring?
In Randolph you get a 21 year old who has posted good, but not stellar WP48s in his first two years. Knowing that player performance peaks at 24-25, hopefully Randolph can continue to improve in his tenure with NY.
Azubuike was injured last year, but in 231 minutes did post a WP48 of .231. His previous two seasons he produced at .083 and a .115 clip. I would assume the true talent level lies in between his 2008 and 2009 season.
Turiaf has improved his last 3 seasons and will provide the Knicks with some depth in the front court.
Raymond Felton has gone from a below average player in 2008, an average player in 2009, to a very good player in 2010. Again, I am hopeful that he can repeat his 2010 season, but it is doubtful and once again I would think his true talent level is closer to his .095 WP48 season of 2009.
I have no idea what to expect from the Russia player, other than scouts say he is the real deal. Hopefully he didn't sleep under Darko Milicic posters when he went to bed.
The summation is that the 2010 Knicks had a star player in David Lee and the rest of the cast was below average.
The Knicks do not have a star player on the 2011 version of this team, (WP48 of .200+) but have assembled a few above average players in Amar'e, Anthony Randolph, and hopefully Felton and Azubuike can duplicate the last season and bring a meaningful contribution.
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Monday, July 5, 2010
When I heard this news I almost fell off my computer chair, and then I checked the date to see if it was April 1. Nope, July 5, and the Knicks are at it again. Before getting into the 2011 forecast for each of the players, why is it that the only team in the league that doesn't want Lee on their team happens to be the Knicks? It just makes no sense to me. The Knicks seem to be evaluating David Lee as if he is a replacement player.
Anyway here are the 2011 forecasts for Monta Ellis and David Lee.
Monta Ellis: 2168 Mins. .048 WP48 2.2 Wins
David Lee: 2788 Mins. .286 WP48 16.6 Wins
Yes, this seems like a very good for the Knicks to make. Lets hand the Golden State Warriors 14.4 Wins. It is just mind-boggling that the Knicks can continually do these things. Do I expect NBA front office personnel to understand Wins Produced, APBRmetrics, or even the PER? No, but I do expect that once...ONCE!! the Knicks would come up on the right side of a trade.
Saturday, July 3, 2010
The perception is that Stoudemire is a force on the inerior and a freakish athlete. Certainly worth a max contract! WRONG!
In 2010 Amar'e was the 3rd most valuable player on his team in terms of Wins Produced with 8.6 and a WP48 of .146 (average being .100) The player that will no longer be employed by the New York Knicks, David Lee contributed 17.3 wins along with a .275 WP48 to the Knicks cause. So yes, this fits right in with the script of the past ten years, getting rid of star players who will come cheaper and replacing them with mac contract above average players.
Also, in addition the Knicks are rumored to be offering a max contract to the incredible talent Joe Johnson. Again, the Knicks are targeting the third best player on the team and offering a max contract. How did Joe Johnson do last year? A WP48 of .130 and 7.8 wins produced.
To project the Knicks with these two players I will do a three year regression with weights of 3/4/5 to represent the years.
Amar'e Stoudemire: 2500 Mins. .168 WP48 8.7 Wins
Joe Johnson: 3080 Mins. .110 WP48 7.1 Wins
The other players on the Knicks do not figure to do much with Danilo Gallinari and Toney Douglas being below average players in the early part of their careers. Eddy Curry should never appear on a basketball court again. Bill Walker did show some promise with the Knicks in his limited 729 mins. last year, however, posting a .129 WP48.
With the combo of Amar'e and Joe Johnson, if the play at expectation level, the Knicks can expect to accumulate 15.8 wins these two running the show. Or, in other words, the Knicks signed two players to maximum deals and collectively they will give the Knicks less than the player that they are letting walk away in David Lee.
Oh, the joy of being a Knick fan!!